In this episode we talk about interstellar travel, life on Mars, and life beyond our galaxy.
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A show from WFMU about our shift to a digital future. Mark Hurst interviews creators and thinkers about technology, community, videogames, and whatever else is next.
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Silicon Valley wants to shape our future, but why should we let it? Every Thursday, Paris Marx is joined by a new guest to critically examine the tech industry, its big promises, and the people behind them. Tech Won’t Save Us challenges the notion that tech alone can drive our world forward by showing that separating tech from politics has consequences for us all, especially the most vulnerable. It’s not your usual tech podcast.
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Are you seeking to live a delicious & expressive life? To trust in the wisdom of your body by awakening & connecting to the delights of your life force & potential? The Sensuality Empowerment Show is dedicated to empowering people to move away from their vulnerability, shame AND teach people to ignite self expression, embody self love and own your magic!! Sharon interviews inspiring local and global leaders, subject matter experts in their field, to bring awareness & great insight or discuss ...
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The Corruption of Open Source w/ tante
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Paris Marx is joined by tante to discuss troubling developments in the open source world as Wordpress goes to war with WP Engine and a new definition of open source AI doesn’t require being open about training data. tante is a sociotechnologist, writer, speaker, and Luddite working on tech and its social impact. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical…
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Dystopia update Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's comments" CEL - "Five minutes to self-destruct" [https://gagarinrecords.bandcamp.com/album/five-minutes-to-self-destruct] [0:54:01]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/145741द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Silicon Valley is Reshaping US Democracy w/ Jacob Silverman
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Paris Marx is joined by Jacob Silverman to discuss all the money Elon Musk is pouring into the US election and what Silicon Valley’s political influence will mean regardless of who becomes president. Jacob Silverman is the author of Gilded Rage: Elon Musk and the Radicalization of Silicon Valley, coming in September 2025 from Bloomsbury. His book E…
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Members of the Luddite Club on not using smartphones or social media Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Interview with Luddite Club members" Maps - "Lack of Sleep" - Counter Melodies [0:54:58]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/145508द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Data Vampires: Fighting for Control (Episode 4)
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Tech billionaires are embracing extreme right-wing politics. It’s not just to enhance their power, but to try to realize a harmful vision for humanity’s future that could see humans merging with machines and possibly even living in computer simulations. Will we allow them to put our collective resources behind their science fiction dreams, or fight…
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The Threat of Data Colonialism w/ Ulises A. Mejias & Nick Couldry
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Paris Marx is joined by Ulises A. Mejias and Nick Couldry to discuss how Silicon Valley's extractive data collection regime and the power it grants them resembles a much older form of exploitation: colonialism. Ulises A. Mejias is a professor of Communication Studies at SUNY Oswego and Nick Couldry is a professor of Media, Communications and Social…
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Christopher Brown, author, “A Natural History of Empty Lots” Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Christopher Brown" [0:04:42] - "Mark's comments" [0:46:16] Hurst & Ottsc - "I Won't Google That" [0:54:19]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/145230द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Data Vampires: Sacrificing for AI (Episode 3)
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Sam Altman is clear: he’s ready to sacrifice anything for his AI fantasies. But are we? We dig into why generative AI has such extreme energy demands and how major tech companies are trying to rewrite climate accounting rules to cover how much their emissions are rising. AI isn’t just churning out visual slop; it’s also being used to transform how …
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The “Dark Elf” Leading Tech’s Extreme Right w/ Julia Black
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Paris Marx is joined by Julia Black to discuss who Curtis Yarvin is and how his anti-democratic, far-right writings have influenced the politics of Silicon Valley and the wider American extreme right. Julia Black is a features reporter on The Information’s Weekend Team. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wi…
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Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" [0:00:00] - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Yaroslav Trofimov" [0:07:02] - "Mark's comments" [0:40:34] Kalush Orchestra - "Stefania" [0:53:21]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/145042द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Data Vampires: Opposing Data Centers (Episode 2)
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As hyperscale data centers move into communities, they come with significant water and energy demands that some are not willing to put up with. We go to Ireland, Spain, and Chile to learn about the effects of data centers on the ground and why some communities are fighting back. They’re asking whether the tradeoffs they’re being expected to make ar…
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Gaza Is a Laboratory for Future Warfare w/ Spencer Ackerman
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Paris Marx is joined by Spencer Ackerman to discuss the past year of Israel's actions in Palestine and the innovations in war technology being used to carry out what the ICJ has deemed a "plausible" genocide in Gaza. Spencer Ackerman is a Pulitzer-prize winning author of Reign of Terror. He’s a contributor at Zeteo and publishes the Forever Wars ne…
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Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Silkie Carlo" [0:03:38] - "Mark's comments" [0:43:14] Highly Effective People - "Under Surveillance" [0:54:33]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/144808द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Data Vampires: Going Hyperscale (Episode 1)
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Amazon, Microsoft, and Google are the dominant players in the cloud market. Around the world, they’re building massive hyperscale data centers that they claim are necessary to power the future of our digital existence. But they also increase their power over other companies and come with massive resource demands communities are getting fed up with.…
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Don’t Fall for Mark Zuckerberg’s Rebrand w/ Karl Bode
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Paris Marx is joined by Karl Bode to discuss how Mark Zuckerberg's makeover and the PR campaign that’s accompanied it shouldn’t distract from the ongoing harms of his company. Karl Bode is a freelance tech journalist and consumer rights reporter. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goa…
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Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem" Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Tim Schwab" [0:02:28] - "Mark's comments" [0:45:55] John Dog - "Twitter Must Die" [0:54:53]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/144583द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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What Happens to Our Digital Footprints When We Die? w/ Tamara Kneese
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Paris Marx is joined by Tamara Kneese to discuss the difficult question of what happens to our digital presence after we die and why some tech billionaires are so desperate to make themselves into chatbots. Tamara Kneese is a researcher, organizer, and author of Death Glitch: How Techno-Solutionism Fails Us in This Life and Beyond. Tech Won’t Save …
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What if no one wants AI? An argument in three parts. Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's comments" [0:00:09] Plone - "Plock" [0:37:07] New Riders Of The Purple Sage - "Fun, Fun, Fun" [0:37:08] The Organizing Committee - "The Day Computers Became Obsolete" [0:53:24]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/144344…
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Will Google’s Monopoly Be Broken Up? w/ Rob Larson
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Paris Marx is joined by Rob Larson to discuss the recent ruling that Google is a monopolist, what consequences it might face, and what lessons we can learn from the Microsoft antitrust case in the early 2000s. Rob Larson is the author of Mastering the Universe: The Obscene Wealth of the Ruling Class, What They Do with Their Money, and Why You Shoul…
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Helen Phillips, author of the dystopian novel "HUM" Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Helen Phillips" [0:03:41] - "Mark's comments" [0:37:45] The New Existentialists - "Last Days of the Internet" [0:55:02]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/144052द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Google and Meta Are A Threat to Journalism w/ Matt Pearce
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Paris Marx is joined by Matt Pearce to discuss how Google sidestepped two California bills aimed at funding journalism and how major tech companies are transforming the web to make hyperlinks less relevant. Matt Pearce is the President of Media Guild of the West and a former reporter at the Los Angeles Times. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical pe…
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Even more devices are spying on you: surveillance phones, cars, and more... Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's comments" John Fekner City Squad - "2 4 5 7 9 11" [0:55:09]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/143859द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Unionizing the Video Game Industry w/ Taylor Welling & Kathryn Friesen
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Paris Marx is joined by Taylor Welling and Kathryn Friesen to discuss how they formed wall-to-wall unions in the video game industry and their thoughts on broader challenges like layoffs and corporate consolidation. Taylor Welling is a producer and union member at OneBGS and Kathryn Friesen is quest designer and member of the World of Warcraft Game…
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Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data: What Happens to Your Information When You Die and Why You Should Care" Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Carl Öhman" [0:05:18] - "Mark's comments" [0:42:37] Lulu Lewis - "Destroy All Data" [0:53:49]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/143612…
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No Tech for Apartheid w/ Mohammad Khatami & Gabi Schubiner
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Paris Marx is joined by Mohammad Khatami and Gabi Schubiner to discuss the complicity of Google, Amazon, and Microsoft in Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza and how tech workers are organizing to stop it. Mohammad Khatami and Gabi Schubiner are former Google software engineers and organizers with No Tech for Apartheid. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a cr…
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Music behind DJ: Rancho Mastatal [www.ranchomastatal.com] [0:00:00] Music behind DJ: - Appropriate Technology [https://ranchomastatal.com/appropriate-technology] [0:08:50] Music behind DJ: - Building with Earth [https://ranchomastatal.com/earth-building-intensive] [0:14:50] Music behind DJ: - El Pueblo De Mastatal [https://ranchomastatal.com/people…
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Crypto Is Spending Millions to Sway the US Election w/ Molly White
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Paris Marx is joined by Molly White to discuss why the crypto industry is spending millions on this election cycle and Coinbase’s potential breach of election finance law. Molly White writes the Citation Needed newsletter. She is the creator of Web3 Is Going Just Great and Follow the Crypto. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech,…
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Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech: Software Work and Culture of Good Enough" Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Paula Bialski" [0:08:14] - "Mark's comments" [0:45:59] Paula and Karol - "Expectations" [0:55:05]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/143172द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Is Social Media Fueling Far-Right Riots? w/ Hussein Kesvani
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Paris Marx is joined by Hussein Kesvani to discuss the far-right attacks that happened after the Southport stabbing in the UK and how larger structural issues in media, politics, and tech laid the groundwork for violence against visible minorities. Hussein Kesvani is a co-host of Trashfuture and Ten Thousand Posts. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a criti…
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Google antitrust decision party: celebrating the DOJ's win over the monopoly Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's comments" JARC - "Move On Up" [0:22:54] Pookiesnackenburger - "Just One Cornetto" [0:22:41] Har-You Percussion Group - "Welcome to the Party" [0:22:27] Hot 8 Brass Band - "shake your body (down to the ground)" [0:34:39] - "Hampsterd…
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Shopify’s Right-Wing Inner Circle w/ Luke LeBrun & Rachel Gilmore
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Paris Marx is joined by Luke LeBrun and Rachel Gilmore to discuss Shopify's connection to right-wing politics, through its interpersonal connection to a far-right news outlet and its reluctance to enforce its content policy on users selling hateful merchandise through their platform. Luke LeBrun is the editor of PressProgress and Rachel Gilmore is …
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Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - Machinarium Soundtrack - "Mark's intro" Negativland - "Don't Don't Get Freaked Out" - The World Will Decide [0:05:56] - "Interview with Jon Leidecker" [0:08:55] - "Mark's comments" [0:47:28] Wobbly - "Every Piano" - Popular Monitress [0:53:08]https://www.wfmu.or…
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Escaping the Processed World w/ Chris Carlsson
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Paris Marx is joined by Chris Carlsson to discuss Processed World, a tech-critical, anti-capitalist magazine that satirized the absurdity of work in its publishing run between 1981 and 2005. Chris Carlsson is the author of many books, including most recently When Shells Crumble. He’s the director of Shaping SF and a cofounder of Critical Mass. He w…
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Tech and the sandwich generation: protecting elders and kids from predatory Big Tech companies Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - Machinarium Soundtrack Music behind DJ: - "Caring for elders w/tech" Plone - "Plock" - Plock [thanks to DJ Monica] [0:33:16] Music behind DJ: - "Caring for kids w/tech" [0:34:08] The Bo-Keys (featuring Percy Wiggins) - "St…
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Silicon Valley is Backing Donald Trump w/ Jacob Silverman
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Paris Marx is joined by Jacob Silverman to discuss why tech billionaires have become more supportive of Donald Trump in the upcoming US election and whether Kamala Harris’ candidacy will disrupt their plans. Jacob Silverman is the co-author of Easy Money: Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud and is working on a new book ca…
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Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros - "Global A Go-Go" - Global A Go-Go [0:00:00] Set: Interview with Kirsten Eddy of Pew Research Billie Eilish - "Bad Guy" - When We A [0:24:17] Set: Interview with Alex Mahadevan of the Poynter Institute Waxahatchee - "Crowbar" - Tigers Blood [0:54:25]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/142238…
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Generative AI is a Climate Disaster w/ Sasha Luccioni
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Paris Marx is joined by Sasha Luccioni to discuss the catastrophic environmental costs of the generative AI being increasing shoved into every tech product we touch. Sasha Luccioni is an artificial intelligence researcher and Climate Lead at Hugging Face. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society wit…
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Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Jason Koebler" [0:03:50] - "Mark's comments" [0:42:22] - "AI ripoff songs" [0:54:38]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/142018द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Jack Dorsey’s Embrace of Crypto-Libertarianism w/ David Gerard
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Paris Marx is joined by David Gerard to discuss Jack Dorsey’s decision to leave Bluesky, his obsession with Bitcoin, and his contributions (or lack thereof) to modern technology. David Gerard is the author of Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain and Libra Shrugged. He also makes Pivot to AI with Amy Castor. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspect…
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How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's comments" The Juice Media - "Honest Government Ad | AI" [0:53:31]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/141782द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Facebook Is the Zombie Internet w/ Jason Koebler
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Paris Marx is joined by Jason Koebler to discuss the AI-generated spam filling Facebook, how the platform seems to have given up trying to stop it, and where the internet goes from here. Jason Koebler is the co-host of the 404 Media Podcast. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of …
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Carissa Véliz on digital ethics Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Carissa Véliz" [0:07:27] - "Mark's comments" [0:43:58] I Won't Google That - "Hurst & Ottsc" [0:53:26]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/141553द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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How Degrowth Will Reshape Technology w/ Jason Hickel
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Paris Marx is joined by Jason Hickel to discuss how technology would change in a degrowth society and why it doesn’t make sense to organize society around profit and infinite expansion. Jason Hickel is the author of Less Is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World. He’s also a Professor at the Institute for Environmental Science and Technology at the…
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The surveillance state is here: discussing with Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control" Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Byron Tau" [0:03:50] - "Mark's comments" [0:42:51] Rocket 808 - "Under Surveillance" [0:54:13]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/141329द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Can Europe Chart Its Own Path on Tech? w/ tante
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Paris Marx is joined by tante to discuss why it’s hard for Europe to challenge the US and China on tech and why we should change how we think about innovation. tante is a writer, speaker, and Luddite working on tech and its social impact. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of ins…
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Mark answers listener questions about AI, robots, and whether we should throw our phones in the river. Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's comments" The New Existentialists - "Last Days of the Internet" [Thanks to DJ Mike in Brooklyn!] [0:55:01]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/141077द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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Silicon Valley is Courting Gulf Monarchies to Fund AI w/ Nitasha Tiku
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Paris Marx is joined by Nitasha Tiku to discuss how US tech companies are flocking to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to fund their expensive AI ambitions. Nitasha Tiku is a tech culture reporter at the Washington Post. Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring pe…
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Ultra-processed food w/Mark Schatzker and "Food, Inc. 2" Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Mark Schatzker" [0:08:31] - "Mark's comments" [0:47:01] Sir Robert Orange Peel - "TikTok is frying my brain" [0:54:41]https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/140831द्वारा Mark Hurst and WFMU
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How the FBI Tapped the Encrypted Chats of Criminals Around the World w/ Joseph Cox
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Paris Marx is joined by Joseph Cox to discuss how the FBI created an encrypted phone company called Anom to read criminals’ messages and eventually carry out the largest international sting operation by law enforcement. Joseph Cox is the author of Dark Wire: The Incredible True Story of the Largest Sting Operation Ever and the host of the 404 Media…
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