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Exploring A Course in Miracles

Circle of Atonement

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Exploring A Course in Miracles offers in-depth conversations on Course-related topics from Robert and Emily Perry. To learn more about Circle of Atonement offerings for your A Course in Miracles journey, including our Complete and Annotated Edition (CE) of A Course in Miracles and our Course Companions online learning community, please visit www.circleofa.org.
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Conner Wanders

Conner Moore

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Conner Wanders confronts, analyzes, and cuts through the bullshit of modern culture in a way that leaves you with something to think about. If there is anything that we can take from the madness that we live in it’s the ability to structure our lives in a way that cuts out the unnecessary noise while leveraging the fuckery to increase our own self-reliance. The podcast is operated through the principles of curiosity, resilience, and passion.
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"The Holocaust seems to me to be the paradigmatic case of the acting out of unconscious fears, fantasies and projections onto another group that has ever occurred. It is the place therefore for psychoanalytic concepts in understanding anti-Semitism and racism more generally. Particularly in this context and thinking about Nazism and Nazi perpetrato…
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In this special episode of Exploring A Course in Miracles, hosts Robert and Emily Perry dive into the US Presidential Election. How can we approach this moment not with fear or division, but with love and forgiveness? Drawing on key teachings from A Course in Miracles, Robert and Emily explore how we can bring compassion, agency, and inner peace in…
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Here at the Circle we are actively seeking to engage in dialogue with Christian leaders because we believe there is much overlap between the values of A Course in Miracles students and those who identify as reconstructing Christians. Namely, we both want to bring forth a world that sides with love in accordance with the teachings of Jesus. This is …
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Everywhere we look in our world there are so many tragedies it’s easy to ask, “Where is God in all of this?” Does He even know about our suffering and, if He does, why doesn’t He do more? These are the questions that cut right to the heart of our deepest doubts and struggles with religion and spirituality. But this is also where A Course in Miracle…
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“The historian [of the vineyard] gave us regular feedback on what she was finding, and she also brought in oral historians to take our own life histories. There's also a psychoanalytical point to be made here - you can take refuge in this scholarly exercise, going into archives and finding out things that happened hundreds of years ago, you can all…
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In this week’s episode, Emily Perry interviews her beautiful spiritual teacher and friend Osheta Moore for a powerful conversation on living Jesus' love ethic in a divided world. Emily and Osheta explore how practicing love, compassion, and radical kindness can heal our relationships and communities. They also dive into the concept of Shalom—God’s …
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"I think it is very interesting to open a debate and talk about this impact of the culture, this epoch, in the subjectivity and never losing the internal work within psychoanalysis, within our consulting room. So when I quote the Lacanian way of saying the ‘declination of the father's name’, I am talking about these times, this epoch, in which the …
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A Course in Miracles has several places where God speak to us directly in the first person. What does He say? In this Sunday Gathering Sermon, Emily Perry walks you through some of the passages in the Course where God speaks to us. Emily then highlights the major themes from those passages, summarizing it all into a clear picture of what God is try…
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“I was very interested in the unspoken thoughts and feelings of the patient because I think one of the things about free association is that in the beginning most of what's going on with the patient is unsaid. As the analysis evolves more and more of the unspoken becomes spoken and more of it becomes at the center of the analytic space. I wanted to…
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“There was a lot of dilemma, and I wasn't able to definitely deal with the sudden knowledge of my cancer and to be able to impart that information in a more containing and structured manner so that my patients can be held even in that situation. But the consciousness was there about how to go about it. Whenever I was asked by the patient directly, …
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A Course in Miracles contains a beautiful picture of what it is to be a parent. The Course speaks of parents as being in service of the spiritual development of children, with the major themes of instilling wisdom, providing emotional, and physical safety, and love. If we do this well, we can deposit what the Course calls a "reserve of strength" in…
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For this episode of Exploring A Course in Miracles podcast, Emily Perry interviewed Marianne Williamson on her latest book, The Mystic Jesus: The Mind of Love. Marianne shares her insights on the "spiritual force" of Jesus and his role in our spiritual journey. If you want a more personal experience of Jesus - beyond dogma and in the realm of unive…
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In the months before A Course in Miracles started coming through, scribe Helen Schucman had three different Priestess visions that all appear to represent a past life of hers. One of those visions would continue to recur for years and even makes an appearance in the Text and the Workbook of the Course. But who is the Priestess, and why does she mat…
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In this episode of Exploring A Course in Miracles, Robert and Emily Perry focus on two of the most important but little-known writings from Course scribe Helen Schucman: The Gifts of God and the Special Messages. The Gifts of God is Helen Schucman's last authentic scribing, taken down just three years before she died, and contains beautiful teachin…
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"In my own two analyses, I had observed such transformations for me in a very impressive way. I started my own analysis after the traumatic death of my sister when I was 22 years old. At that time, I had a breakdown, and I suffered from severe depressive and psychosomatic symptoms and sleep disorders but also from terrible nightmares that haunted m…
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In contemporary spirituality, we are told to "go beyond concepts and words" to a more direct connection with God. We are told not to be too "in our heads" because thinking blocks spiritual experience. These are very popular teachings, but how should we view these ideas as students of A Course in Miracles, especially given that the Course is 2,000 p…
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In this Sunday Gathering sermon, Emily Perry shares tools and principles from nonviolent civil rights protests of the 1950s and 60s and discusses the relevance for students of A Course in Miracles today. From Martin Luther King's teachings to the inspirational stories of civil rights leaders like John Lewis and Carolyn McKinstry, Emily reminds us h…
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"I don't know what to do about this because we do have to use clinical material. It's the best tried and true method in which to inculcate analytic thinking in our students and supervises. On the other hand, we are so indebted to our patients and their trust in us and our responsibilities as ethical practitioners not to divulge their privacy. Princ…
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In this episode, Robert and Emily discuss the need for wise and experienced spiritual teachers and the call that some feel to be a teacher. They talk about the qualities of a teacher the Course highlights—qualities the Course calls the “deeper characteristics” of the advanced teacher of God—as well as how to cultivate them yourself and look for the…
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"During the whole course of your [psychoanalytic] training, you are laying on the couch and have your personal analysis and beforehand you don't know where it will lead you. You start to discover corners of your unconscious psyche which you don't want, which you are not so eager to explore. This accompanies you during the whole course of training, …
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Many have come upon the comments about homosexuality after miracle principle 18 in the Complete and Annotated Edition of A Course in Miracles (CE) and have been turned off, thinking this is the same old prejudiced rhetoric. But what do these paragraphs really say? In this episode, Robert and Emily explore that question in detail, discussing the Cou…
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When it comes to A Course in Miracles, one thing students are always asking is, “How do I make the Course practical?” A Course in Miracles, however, is full of practical instructions. The Course aims to enclose our day in different forms of practice in order “to make the day as happy for you as God wants it to be” and even to make “the business of …
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“I would love for the psychoanalytic world to re-embrace some of these adjunctive treatments that get to non-ordinary states of consciousness in order to enhance psychoanalytic treatment, and that includes psychedelics. The other thing I'd like to see is, I think psychoanalysts are extremely well suited to use psychedelic-assisted therapy in a non-…
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Amidst all of life's chaos, we find ourselves hoping that someone up there has got a plan—a plan for our lives, a plan for our world. It's hard to shake this hope, even when we don't believe in God. At the same time, the notion of God's plan comes with a lot of baggage for fear of what it will ask of us. In this episode, Robert and Emily explore th…
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“What is it like to be a clinician with a patient who either comes because they're going to be dying or it happens in the treatment - what is it like for the clinician? It's lonely in a way because there is a lot of parallel with what the patient is going through. To me, and as a field, I would like to think we could talk about this and write about…
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We’ve all been in relationships that start out truly harmonious and mutually supportive. You and the other person are committed to the same goals and that feeling of magic connection is there. Next thing you know, it all slowly starts to die or shatters completely. How are we routinely in this place where relationships that begin with so much poten…
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Haven’t we all wondered if we were put on earth for a reason, to accomplish some unknown mission? Perhaps Walt Whitman was right when he said, “That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse”? This notion, however, raises so many questions: Do we even have a purpose or is life merely random? If we do have one, how do we find out wha…
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"From such accounts [of Polish atrocities] we can see how incredibly emotional and how incredibly pleasurable it could be on the social level, not only for the people involved, but for the whole group, and we can really see how violence on others becomes the core of social identity, of the national identity. We tend to think about committing violen…
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What lies beyond the conscious mind? Are there higher levels? Are there lower ones? A Course in Miracles says yes to both. It contains a fascinating, extensive picture of the mind in which the levels constantly interact with each other. Right now, they are in conflict, but the Course holds out the promise of the mind becoming an organic whole, in w…
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A Course in Miracles is frequently described as a "nondual" path. It's true that both the Course and nonduality teach that everything is ultimately one and separation is an illusion. However, there are significant differences as well, and those differences amount to contrasting worldviews. In this episode, Robert and Emily present a general overvie…
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My conversation with Sudhir Kakar took place five weeks before his untimely death on April 22nd. “Freud obviously is very brave and courageous to accept that the world is inadequate and that my desires will never be sufficiently fulfilled. My question - is this in fact the case? I think that everyone has had some kind of spiritual experience, some …
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Students of A Course in Miracles are forever vexed by the question, What is the ego? Is it a real entity or just a belief? Should we love it or condemn it? Does it keep us safe or endanger us? Should we take it seriously or disregard it? How can we tell when it’s speaking to us? And how can we let go of it? In this episode, Robert and Emily draw up…
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Every minute of every day we are faced with the question of what matters and what doesn't. What if we are getting it all wrong? We've been told to put the big rocks in first and not to sweat the small stuff, but what are the big rocks? And what is the small stuff? A Course in Miracles has surprising yet compelling views on this topic. In its teachi…
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"Psychoanalysis landed in Finland in the 50s; before the Second World War there were one or two persons familiar with psychoanalysis. In the 50s, psychoanalysis got a lot of interest in Finland but then there was no possibility of training in Finland. The pioneers went abroad, some to Sweden and some to Switzerland. They picked up the theoretical p…
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We are honored to have Lorna Byrne on this episode. Lorna is an Irish mystic who is the author of the bestselling Angels in My Hair*. She is known the world over for her contact with angels, in which she physically sees them at all times. In this episode, Robert and Emily ask Lorna about angels' role in relation to our spiritual progress, free will…
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In the spiritual field, we tend to grant enormous authority to those who claim to be directly in touch with true reality and who speak with total certainty. But should we? In this episode, Robert and Emily argue that the very nature of perception is that it’s uncertain. No one on earth really knows in the fullest sense of the word. What do we do, t…
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