Special Guest: Pam Shaffer
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Pam Shaffer is a licensed marriage and family therapist, musician, and host of Why Not Both podcast. She likes crafting surreal sonic landscapes with her synthesizers, reading books in every corner of her home, and drinking cold brew with reckless abandon while creating a better world for her fellow feral neurodivergent humans.
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