Museums n'That is the podcast for anyone who thinks that museums are boring. Hosts Meg and Sara from Leeds Museums & Galleries get to the very heart of what makes museum people tick, by asking them the questions that you actually want to know. Does Bruce Springsteen have an archive? Do you ever try any of the old clothes on? What’s the greatest city in the world? Spoiler alert: it’s Leeds.
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Talking about all the different things that 'digital' means in the arts, culture and heritage sectors. Tales of success and failure, interrogating the shiny new things and looking at what works (or not) and why, Interviews with digital folks working across the sector and beyond, in-house, consultants, funders, and more. Join us at the first Digital Works Conference in Leeds, UK on the 24th-25th April 2024.
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Episode 049 - Ash & Katie, Bytes #9 - a conversation about digital media trends in 2024, museums joining the fediverse, attention metrics at the New York Times, and a creative use of AI
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The nineth in our new series, Bytes, where Ash and Katie discuss 3 (or 4) things from the latest Digital Works Newsletter. In this episode we'll be discussing some of the links in the newsletter that went out on April 15th. We talk about: Deloitte's 2024 Digital Media report Aaron Cope's blog post on how the SFO Museum is navigating the Fediverse W…
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Episode 048 - Dr Brett Ashley Crawford and Paul Hansen on their new book 'Raising the Curtain. Technology Success Stories from Performing Arts Leaders and Artists'
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A conversation with Dr Brett Ashley Crawford and Paul Hansen. Their new book (Raising the Curtain. Technology Success Stories from Performing Arts Leaders and Artists) looks at how performing arts organisations and artists are successfully using technology in a variety of different contexts. We talked about how the pandemic became a catalyst for in…
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Episode 047 - Ash, Bytes #8 - Hilary Knight, Seb Chan, and Aled John on looking forward to the Digital Works Conference
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I chatted with Hilary Knight, Seb Chan, and Aled John to hear a bit more about what they'll be talking about at this month's Digital Works Conference as well as what they're looking forward to. We looked at the potential of informal networking, discussing how tea break chats can lead to new ideas and fortify the cultural community. The lessons that…
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Episode 046 - Michal Čudrnák (Slovak National Gallery) on building in-house teams, public-private partnerships, sector support, and the role digital can play in enhancing the in-person experience
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In this episode Ash chats to Michal Čudrnák Head of Digital Collections & Services at the Slovak National Gallery. We talk about the history of the gallery, and how the Digital team has grown and evolved over recent years. We talk about the interesting and somewhat unique role that the Slovak National Gallery plays in supporting the wider Slovak cu…
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Episode 045 - Ash & Katie, Bytes #7 - a conversation about advances and problems with AI, YouTube CEO's predictions for 2024, and shifts in how the web is monetised
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The seventh in our new series, Bytes, where Ash and Katie discuss 3 things from the latest Digital Works Newsletter. In this episode we'll be discussing some of the links in the newsletter that went out on February 26th. We talk about: The launch of OpenAI's new text-to-video product, Sora. The apparent meltdown that ChatGPT had last week, and the …
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Episode 044 - Samantha King (VIVE Arts) on the conditions required for good work to happen, the financial and operational realities of creating immersive experiences, and how artistic and technology teams ...
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A great conversation about immersive experiences with VIVE Arts' Head of Programme, Samantha King. We talked about a LOT including: the conditions required for new ways of thinking and working to take root; the importance of sharing knowledge and collaboration; the operational and financial realities of creating immersive work. We returned to a lon…
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Episode 043 - Ash & Katie, Bytes #6 - a conversation about platform ethics, highlighting the work of the National Gallery, and looking at the failed collab between Punchdrunk and Niantic
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The sixth in our new series, Bytes, where Ash and Katie discuss 3 things from the latest Digital Works Newsletter. In this episode we'll be discussing some of the links in the newsletter that went out on January 29th. We talk about: Hugh Wallace asking 'is it time to shake up your social media', the Association of Cultural Enterprises leaving X, an…
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Episode 042 - Stuart Buchanan (Sydney Opera House) on digital teams, international collaborations, reaching new audiences, experimentation, rights and IP, and artistic applications of AI
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We catch up with Sydney Opera House's Head of Screen, Stuart Buchanan. We talk about Stuart's new job title, how digital teams are structured at SOH, and the unhelpfully vague nature of the word 'digital'. Stuart shares how digital artistic programmes have enabled the Sydney Opera House to work with new artists, in new ways. The issues and challeng…
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Episode 041 - Haydn Corrodus on unleashing Social Media's potential for cultural organisations, the value of story-telling, understanding your audience, and being thoughtful about how you're showing up ...
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Our last episode of 2023 is a conversation with Haydn Corrodus. Haydn is a social media and digital marketing consultant who was previously an Arts Council England Tech Champion as part of the Digital Culture Network Haydn brings rich insights into the fragmented and ever-evolving world of social media, and its potential for storytelling, connectin…
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Episode 040 - Bytes #5, Ash and Katie reflect on 2023 looking at declining attention spans, AI challenges, shifts in where users are spending their time online, and some attempts at predicting priorities ...
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In the last podcast episode of the year, Katie and Ash reflect on 2023 - picking a few of the most notable articles, podcasts, research reports, and new stories of the year. We discuss digital overload and the impact it's had on our attention spans. Exploring whether our cultural institutions could become havens of focus and relaxation in the blizz…
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Episode 039 - Dr Carrie Goucher on meeting culture, the role of psychological safety, advice on how to improve the effectiveness of your meetings, and building trust in teams
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A conversation with Dr Carrie Goucher. Carrie helps people transform meetings and meeting culture. She has redesigned how we meet for the collaborative era, crafting meetings that are honest, focused, supportive and energising. Carrie’s PhD created an evidence-based framework for what underpins meeting success (spoiler alert: it’s not having an age…
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Episode 038 - Ash & Katie, Bytes #4 - exploring 50 years of the internet, the ChatGPT store (and associated soap opera), the death of the social internet, and a polemic about SEO
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The fourth in our new series, Bytes, where Ash and Katie discuss 3 (actually 4) things from the latest Digital Works Newsletter. In this episode we'll be discussing some of the links in the newsletter that went out on November 10th. We talk about: Internet Artifacts This TechCrunch article "App Store for AI: OpenAI’s GPT Store lets you build (and m…
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Episode 037 - Zoe Williams (Vagina Museum) on crowdfunding, owning your niche, building a community, dealing with censorship, ignoring the trolls, and having a sense of humour
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A chat with Zoe Williams, the Head of Communications and Fundraising at the Vagina Museum in London. We discuss their successful recent crowdfunding campaign, we also explore how they've harnessed the power of digital platforms to reach a global audience, built a robust community online, and how they’ve carved out their niche in the digital sphere.…
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Episode 036 - Ash & Katie, Bytes #3 - Exploring Twitter's transformation (/disintegration), Advances in AI, and the new Web Accessibility guidelines
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The third in our new series, Bytes, where Ash and Katie discuss 3 things from the latest Digital Works Newsletter. In this episode we'll be discussing some of the links in the newsletter that went out on October 20th. We talk about: "The Moral Case for No Longer Engaging With Elon Musk’s X" by Dave Lee ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak The relea…
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Episode 035 - Ash & Katie, Bytes #2 on the end of the Googleverse, using AI to mod games, and digital budgeting
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The second in our new series, Bytes, where Ash and Katie discuss 3 things from the latest Digital Works Newsletter. In this episode we'll be discussing some of the links in the newsletter that went out on September 22nd. We talk about: The End of the Googleverse - Ryan Broderick Skyrim Mod Uses AI to Give NPCs Memories - Marc Keever How to understa…
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Episode 034 - George Montagu (FT Strategies) on getting to 1 million digital subscribers, creating meaningful metrics, and working with NT at Home
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A conversation with George Montagu, Head of Insights at FT Strategies. FT Strategies is the consulting arm of the Financial Times. George and I talk about the shift from print to digital at the Financial Times and the related shift from ad to subscriber revenue, how leadership at the FT galvanised the entire organisation around a single goal (getti…
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Episode 033 - Ash & Katie, Bytes #1 on Twitter's demise, ChatGPT's lies, and some research into social activity
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The first in our new series, Bytes, where Ash and Katie will be discussing 3 things from the latest Digital Works Newsletter. In this episode we'll be discussing some of the links in the newsletter that went out on August 29th. We talk about: 'How to Blow Up a Timeline' - Eugene Wei ' We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not debate ling…
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Episode 032 - Fran Sanderson (Nesta) on shifting how they support the arts, what effective funding looks like, and thinking differently about value and risk
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A conversation with Fran Sanderson, Director of Arts Programmes and Investments at Nesta (which was originally set up in 1998 as the National Endowment for Science, Technology, and the Arts). Fran is in the process of exploring a major shift in the way Nesta goes about making investments in the arts. We discuss the funding landscape for culture in …
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Episode 031 - Seb Chan (ACMI) on the power of 'digital imagination', the importance of experience-focused roles in museums, and understanding the importance of capital in predicting the future
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An incredibly wide-ranging conversation with Seb Chan, CEO and Director of ACMI (Australian Centre for the Moving Image). Seb talks about his background in community radio, 'looking under the hood' of the early internet, the importance of experience-focused roles in museums, the power of cultural leaders developing a 'digital imagination', understa…
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Oh no. Oh dear. What's happening. We don't like it. A little news: that Meg over there has gone and got herself a new job! The sausage. So is this the last episode of Museums n'That ever? Maybe. Do we love you all deeply for the support you've given us throughout the last 6 series? Absolutely. Did Danny listen to us and ask DPD to change his delive…
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Hayley Cropper's anorak! Here we go gang - signing off this series is self-confessed conservator dork Kloe Rumsey, Conservator at the People's History Museum in Manchester. Kloe exercises extreme patience this episode as we ask her all of our burning questions about conservation. Are there big sciencey chemicals involved? How do you deal with the r…
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Sustainability! Climate! Museums! Longshore Drift! All the main hitters. Talking us through it all is the powerhouse that is Sara Kassam (2 Sara's and a Meg - you're welcome) the benign environmental dictator at UK Sport and previous Sustainability Lead at ye olde V&A. Sara is also Sustainability Advisor at the Museums Association, and most importa…
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The Tower of London is a twice in a lifetime experience
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What do you get when you mix a hotel breakfast with the Chief Exhibitor at the Tower of London? A really good podcast episode. Not only are we at the Tower! of! London! (Meg's favourite place in the world) this episode, but we have the absolute pleasure of talking to Chief Exhibitor Nivek Amichund. And opening his post. Nivek talked us through how …
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The most butt heavy episode we've had yet. And that's saying something. Today's wonderful guest is Amelia Silver, a Curating for Change Fellow working with the Thackray Museum to make museums more accessible for people with disabilities. Amelia tells us all about her route into her role, including lots about her own disability and how that lead to …
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Episode 030 - Fiona Morris (The Space) on what makes a successful digital project, the importance of digital skills, and the meaninglessness of the word 'digital'
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A conversation with CEO and Creative Director of The Space, Fiona Morris. The Space was founded in 2013 by Arts Council England and the BBC and is now an independent not-for-profit organisation. The Space's primary goal is to enable the arts, culture and heritage sector to engage audiences using digital and broadcast content and platforms. Over the…
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A big ol' love letter to plants, this one. Dried ones especially. And our first returning guest! Clare Brown of S2 E7 fame is back to tell us all about herbaria. Herbarium? Herbariums. Dried plant specimens, stored in our collection at Leeds Discovery Centre. Why should we collect them? How do we dry them? Stick your nose in a female plant, and wha…
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Oh, hiya! Series 6 it is then kids. Sassy Holmes is the Programme Officer at the Brontë Parsonage Museum in lovely Haworth, so we invited her to come and teach us the wily, windy ways of literature's #1 family. We find out about the objects they have in the museum, including ones found hidden in the walls - we cannot - and hear some frankly crackin…
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It’s us! We’re back. And for our 6th series of Museums n’That, we’ve lined up some extremely very good museum-y guests to tell us all about the weird and wonderful things they love the most. We’re talking Brontës, we’re talking climate change, we’re talking conservation to name a few – and guys, we’ve done it, we’ve gone and bloody done it: we’re t…
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Episode 029 - Maaike Verberk (DEN) on digital transformation, the importance of new ideas, understanding your audience, and the traits of digitally confident organisations
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A chat with Maaike Verberk, Managing Director of DEN, the Dutch Knowledge Institute for Culture & Digital Transformation. We talked about digital transformation, the importance of being open to new ideas, the value of really understanding your audiences, the traits of organisations where good digital stuff is happening, and loads more.…
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Episode 028 - Hilary Knight (AEA) on the importance of team culture, the value of being entertaining, and the strategic role of digital
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A great chat with Hilary Knight. We talk about the importance of team culture, the value of trying to be entertaining, the rigidity of the career paths into leadership positions in the cultural sector, the strategic importance of digital ambition, and loads more. Hilary is a Senior Consultant at AEA Consulting and is the former Director of Digital …
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Surprise! It's about time we treated you to another spesh, and when better to treat you than at Christmas. Visitor Assistant Steve Scholey pulls out all the festive stops in this episode, which was recorded at the effortlessly Christmassy Temple Newsam. Find out what the rapscallions that lived there did to celebrate the season 500 years ago - yule…
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Episode 027 - Dr Richard Misek (University of Kent) on his research into digital culture during the pandemic, the economics of digital activity, and the access benefits of digital
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Dr Richard Misek is a Senior Lecturer in Film, School of Arts at the University of Kent. He is a film-maker and researcher, and was the Principal Investigator on the Arts and Humanities Research Council project, ‘Digital Access to Arts and Culture Beyond COVID-19’, in partnership with Arts Council England and digital arts agency The Space. It's thr…
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Episode 026 - Nick Sherrard (Label Ventures) on experimentation and innovation, risk models, new approaches to partnership, and why some organisations might deserve to die
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A conversation with Nick Sherrard about experimentation and innovation. Nick is a Partner at Label Ventures, which is a venture studio in Edinburgh. Nick has held a number innovation and strategy-focused roles in the commercial sector as well as production and administration-focused roles in the cultural sector. We talk about risk models, nurturing…
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Episode 025 - Kati Price (V&A) reflecting on the impact of the pandemic on digital thinking, teams, and hiring, the importance of leadership, and being excited about the future
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Our first returning guest! Another brilliant conversation with Kati Price. Kati is Head of Digital Media and Publishing at Victoria and Albert Museum in London and was one of the first guests I had on the podcast back in early 2020 (that chat is now our most listened-to episode). We reflect on the turmoil (and progress) of the last two years, the i…
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Episode 024 - Nicholas Triantafyllou (National Theatre) on the importance of collaboration, what good leadership looks like, and the origins of NT at Home
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A lovely chat with Nicholas Triantafyllou. Nicholas is the Director of Information Technology at the National Theatre and has previously held technology and systems-focused leadership roles at the Southbank Centre and the Barbican. We explored the importance of collaboration, what good leadership looks like, the challenge of getting things done in …
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Episode 023 - Annette Mees (Audience Labs) on technology in cultural experiences, and hyper-reality opera
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A conversation with Annette Mees, Annette is an award-winning artistic director, creative producer and cultural strategist. Annette used to be Artistic Director of Coney (an award-winning company of adventure and play which put the audience at the centre of every experience), she ran Audience Labs at the Royal Opera House. She is currently Artistic…
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It can't just be at the International Slavery Museum
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For the final episode in this series we nipped back down the canal to (potentially the second greatest city in the world) Liverpool. Where we met Ranmalie! Dr Ranmalie Jayawardana is the Community Participation Lead at the International Slavery Museum and Maritime Museum at National Museums Liverpool. She's currently working on the Waterfront Trans…
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You are flippin' in the Queer Britain museum
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Dan Vo: a vibe. A VERY exciting episode this week, as we interview self-titled Museum Queerator Dan Vo at Queer Britain - the UK’s first LGBTQ+ museum. Dan talks us through the stories that the museum tells, why the work they’re doing is so important, and the impact it's had so far. Basically, how to museum good. Go and visit! Right now! Go go go! …
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Who loves cream soda? Ethan Crabtree loves cream soda. This episode, lovely Ethan shares his experience of volunteering as a young person in the award winning Preservative Party - still going strong! - at Leeds City Museum, and essentially just spends 45 minutes proving that all museums should be run by young people. We learn about their upcoming e…
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The very important documentary 'The Devil Wears Prada'
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Mum, we made it to the V&A! Meg and Sara embark on an epic adventure to the Big Smoke this episode, and end up in the Fashioning Masculinities exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum. Where they spent a lot of time studying Harry Styles' footwear. Curator - and ex Leeds Museums and Gallleries alumni - Rosalind McKever talks us through the exhi…
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In this episode we chat to Assistant Community Curator Patrick Bourne about the history of Kirkstall Abbey: the hottest 870 year old you've ever seen. What's been excavated here? What's been the haps for the last 8 centuries? Where did the monks go for a poo? We also find out about the ghostly goings on at Abbey House Museum, and write a little lov…
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Episode 022 - Stuart Buchanan (Sydney Opera House) on new ways of engaging with artists, institutional dynamics, and responding to the pandemic
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Back after a bit of a break with a chat with the Sydney Opera House's Head of Digital Programming, Stuart Buchanan. We chat rave culture, the Royal Court Theatre's website in the 1990s, employing digital to explore new ways of engaging with artists, wrangling institutional dynamics, responses to the pandemic and loads more. Stuart has worked with o…
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We're back! Kicking off series 5 - and getting stung by a bee in the process which we did not arrange - is corker of a guest, Joe Vaughan. Joe is the Digital Editor at Reading Museum and the Museum of English Rural Life, and he popped on the pod to talk to us about being a pretty big cheese in the world of social media (and everything that comes wi…
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We’ve only gone and recorded another series. All hail series 5! This time around, we've been to London, we’ve been to Liverpool, we’ve been to Reading – and of course, the greatest of them all. We've been to Leeds. Expect chats about all things museums, but like, only the interesting bits: bloodletting monks, Harry Styles at the V&A, and absolute u…
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You'd struggle to get better than Stephenson's Rocket
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Wafting a load of rhubarb farts into our final episode of the series is Rob Scargill, Interpretation Developer at the National Railway Museum. We've done trains before, sure, but we haven't done interpretation now have we guys. Rob explains how everything (literally, everything) you experience in a museum is thought out - from the stories you tell …
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Our guest this week is Visitor Assistant and harbinger of exotic fruits Carmen Webbe. Carmen talks to Meg and Sara about black artists and subjects on display at Leeds Art Gallery, her opinion on works and exhibitions and, most importantly, her experience as a black woman working in a public facing role at an art gallery. Links to things talked abo…
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SHIPWRECKS. FINALLY. And not just any shipwreck. Meg and Sara take a trip down the canal to Liverpool, where they chat with Ian Murphy, Head of the Merseyside Maritime Museum. Ian walks us through their exhibition 'Titanic and Liverpool: the untold story' and we find out about the objects they have relating to Titanic, how collecting from a wreck s…
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I don't know if I've mentioned, but I'm vegan
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200 years old we are. 200! years! old! This year Leeds Museums & Galleries celebrates a (very) big birthday, and Projects Curator Catherine Robins has been party-planning the whole shebang. Find out how to open an exhibition with an army of excellent volunteers, what happened when Leeds was bombed in 1941 and what celery has to do with a budgie cal…
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Bringing the sauce this episode - but eating absolutely none of it - is David Hopes, Head of Service at Leeds Museums & Galleries. Sara and Meg grill David about his credentials, and ask exactly how you get to be the head of a museum. He tells us some cracking stories about Brian Cox and Lulu (finally!) and, you know, says really interesting things…
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Hip hop doesn't ask for permission
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Did someone say series 4? *beat drop* To kick off the new series, Meg and Sara talk to actual real life best friends Lee Arnold aka. King Monk and Marek Romaniszyn. Lee is a Hip Hop aficionado - he runs King Monk studios and is the brains behind the Hip Hop Historian Society. Marek is the Assistant Community Curator at Leeds Museums & Galleries and…
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