9. The Lovers: That Much Closer to Madness w/ Bianca Alyssa Pérez

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In this episode, we explore The Lovers card with poet, teacher, and lover Bianca Alyssa Pérez, whose poetry chapbook Gemini Gospel dances with themes of this card deeply and beautifully, touching on self-love, grief, family, and romance.
Our conversation starts with the imagery and symbolism of The Lovers, and unfolds into an exploration of Bianca's journey toward self-love as someone who struggles with anxiety and panic disorder. Bianca also shares what it's like being a Gemini and the challenge of making choices. She also shares her own beautiful love story — how she met her husband, Nick, in the midst of grieving her father, who she still feels connected to after his death. Throughout the episode, Bianca reads several poems from her book.
We also get into...
+ the rich symbolism and iconography of Catholicism
+ how Bianca manifested a front porch through her poetry
+ La Llorona, the mythical "crying woman" of South Texas lore
+ how healthy relationships actually trigger us more
+ pretending to feel good and protecting people from our feelings
+ Bianca's love of horror films and the podcast she cohosts on this topic
+ the up/downsides of creative writing MFA programs
+ Bianca's advice to anyone pulling The Lovers card frequently
To connect with Bianca and learn more about her work, visit her website, follow her on Instagram, order her poetry chapbook Gemini Gospel, and check out her horror-film appreciation podcast The Basement Girls.
+ Meet Chantal deFelice, our sound designer.
+ Meet Claire Bowman, our episode editor.
+ Meet Ami Plasse, who designed the YC&ML logo.

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