Parents need discipling before they can spiritually develop their teens | Episode 2

Kingdom Citizenship Podcast

Join us for an insightful episode as we explore the core of discipleship and spiritual literacy in modern church contexts. Hosted by Timothy L. Price, in conversation with Jim Musser from Upstream Ministries, we delve into crucial insights from years of engaging with students' spiritual journeys. From questioning the effectiveness of church education systems to addressing the challenges of spiritual illiteracy, each moment uncovers layers of reflection. Discover the impact of parental influence, the role of church programs, and the necessity of holistic discipleship. Explore the nuances of raising spiritually mature individuals, navigating societal pressures, and the imperative for church-wide engagement. Don't miss this thought-provoking dialogue on reshaping discipleship paradigms within our communities.

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1:22 – What is Upstream Ministries all about
2:32 – What are the things you’ve discovered over the years about student’s spiritual life
4:42 – If a student graduated from high school as illiterate, we’d say it’s a failed system (what
does this say about church)
5:10 – Would you say that most church kids are spiritually illiterate when coming to college
7:27 – Are the churches these spiritually illiterate students coming from just nominal churches
9:14 – Churches are not effective in training up disciples
11:19 – What about all the apologetics materials available
11:57 – Parents can disciple their children through living authentically
15:42 – It would be so much better if students were more mature spiritually when coming to
college
16:36 – How are we discipling adults
17:34 – Pastors are not trained to show people how to follow Jesus
19:01 – The way we’ve approached church is not functional in discipleship
20:06 – A statistic about apologetics
22:45 – The church is always a step behind where they need to be
24:12 – Apologetics isn’t how you get the front door
25:15 – The danger of the church getting off into politics
26:53 – If parents are passionate about subjects off message of the gospel, then that what kids
will follow
31:15 – Take your young people along in your service to the Lord
32:16 – Spiritual intervention shouldn’t be happening in the teen years
33:57 – If you raise spiritually solid young people, they are going to be ready to engage the
world
37:28 – Church people don’t want discipleship
41:01 – “The university screwed up the teens”
42:05 – Do you really think “Christian universities” are much better
44:02 – Youth pastors know that their programs aren’t effective