EP179 The Science of Hot Water: Insights and Innovations with Gary Klein (July 2024)

Building HVAC Science

In this episode of the Building HVAC Science Podcast, hosts Bill Spohn and Eric Kaiser are joined by Gary Klein, a veteran in the field of energy conservation, particularly in hot water system design. The discussion begins with Klein explaining his innovative teaching method, using tape on the floor to illustrate the distances between water heaters and home fixtures. This method helps participants understand the time it takes for hot water to reach different parts of a house. Klein emphasizes the importance of efficient hot water system design, criticizing common practices that prioritize aesthetics over functionality.

The conversation then shifts to Klein's experiences and contributions to right-sizing plumbing systems, highlighting the inefficiencies in current standards based on outdated data. He discusses the development of the water demand calculator, a tool that more accurately estimates peak water demand and leads to more efficient pipe sizing. Klein provides examples of how modern buildings can significantly reduce their water supply infrastructure needs, using real data to support the argument for updating plumbing codes and practices to reflect contemporary water use patterns.

In the final segment, Klein shares personal anecdotes from his extensive career, including his time in Lesotho, where he implemented solar energy solutions. He reflects on his work in the United States, promoting the adoption of air-source heat pump water heaters and continuing to lead efforts in right-sizing plumbing systems. Klein also touches on his teaching philosophy, advocating for practical, evidence-based approaches to plumbing and energy conservation. The episode concludes with Klein urging industry professionals to integrate modern technologies effectively and to consider real-world usage patterns in their designs.

Gary’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-klein-b112592/

Gary’s website: https://www.garykleinassociates.com/

IAPMO Water Demand Calculator: https://www.iapmo.org/water-demand-calculator/

Larry Weigarten’s books mentioned in the episode:

The Water Heater Workbook: A Hands-On Guide to Water Heaters: https://a.co/d/g2vN6rt

The Philosopher's Wrench: Using Your Creativity, Heart & Tools to Fix the World: https://a.co/d/7zmtq5A

This episode was recorded in July 2024.