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Movement Logic: Strong Opinions, Loosely Held

Dr. Sarah Court, PT, DPT and Laurel Beversdorf

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Welcome to the Movement Logic Podcast, with yoga teacher and strength coach Laurel Beversdorf, and physical therapist Dr. Sarah Court. With over 30 years combined experience in the yoga, movement and physical therapy worlds, we believe in strong ideas, loosely held – which means we’re not hyping outdated movement concepts. Instead, we’re here with up-to-date and cutting-edge tools, evidence and ideas to help you as a mover and a teacher. Music: Makani by Scandinavianz & AXM
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Strong Opinions

Emily Freeman & Steve Kinney

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Strong Opinions is a podcast by engineers for engineers. Join Emily Freeman, author of DevOps for Dummies, and Steve Kinney, author of Electron in Action and a frontend architect at Twilio, as they provide straightforward, entertaining career advice for software engineers.
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Refinery 29's award-winning podcast is back for season 4! In this five-part capsule collection, host Elisa Kreisinger dives into the world of the professional female athlete to explore how they've survived and thrived in a sports-loving country that doesn't alway love them back. Did you know that the highest grossing sport for women is tennis? Or that the US exports many of our best female athletes to China and Russia because they pay them a livable wage? This season we talk with soccer lege ...
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Software is saturated. Now more than ever, we should not be sacrificing personality at the altar of scale and consistency. This episode I try and explain where I want to take my content and how I want to monetize it. --------- Website: https://www.wking.dev Newsletter: https://www.wking.dev/newsletter Podcast: https://share.transistor.fm/s/d761db36…
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Welcome to Episode 80 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Dr. Beth Linker, PhD. Beth Linker, a former physical therapist, is an author and professor of the history of science, disability, and medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. Her most recent book, Slouch: Posture Panic in Modern America, reveals …
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Welcome to episode 79 of the Movement Logic Podcast! Laurel and Sarah explore whether yoga strengthens bones, examining Yoga U's claims and Dr. Loren Fishman’s controversial study. We'll uncover how Yoga U often exaggerates or cherry-picks evidence while overlooking effective bone-building exercises like heavy resistance and impact training. In thi…
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For those of you who aren't aware. I have an internet troll. Her name is Ali, and she is my wife. She is hilarious and people have asked me to have her on so we decided to give it a try. Hope you enjoy! --------- Website: https://www.wking.dev Newsletter: https://www.wking.dev/newsletter Podcast: https://share.transistor.fm/s/d761db36 Community: ht…
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How do you build better relationships? Is it by spending a few really fun times together or by spending a whole lot of mediocre time together? How about a skillset? Is it by working on a couple cool new things, or by spending a lot of time working on the same problem area? --------- Website: https://www.wking.dev Newsletter: https://www.wking.dev/n…
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Welcome to Episode 78 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss what current science, versus outdated advice and conventional wisdom, have to say about the knees—namely whether “bone on bone” is a thing, and if deep squats, knee valgus aka “knee cave”, or high impact are inherently bad for your knees. Learn what resea…
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Video walkthroughs do not belong inside of products. I would even go so far as to say if you need a video walkthrough to explain how to use your product or features in it, your design and experience is fundamentally flawed. A walkthrough video is like pouring molasses on all the potential energy your customers have. You are taking a user from an ac…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 77 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah dive into the history of how DEXA scans came to be so ubiquitous, what are the risks around osteoporosis medication, and whether osteoporosis and osteopenia were intended to be diagnoses in the first place. You will learn: How was the DEXA score for …
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On Monday I got to participate in the Laravel vs Terminal basketball game both as coach and player. I met so many incredible people and I talk for a little bit about how great that community is and how I ended up in Dallas...turns out you really can just do stuff. Then I dig into the most important lessons I learned losing 100 pounds in a year. ---…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 76 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this second episode in our Posture Panic series, Laurel and Sarah take a deep dive into the currently available research around posture to debunk some of the long held beliefs around posture, pain prevention, muscle activation, and more. You will learn: Does good posture keep you …
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We are going public baby! This is no longer a private podcast hosted on ripple.fm, but a public feed. However, Ripple will still be where the conversation is happening. I am also introducing a new format. Updates! I have a lot going on and wanted to take a second to give everyone insight on what is happening soon. --------- Website: https://www.wki…
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Thinking through how sometimes we can be busy but get nothing done. Sometimes that can be good and sometimes that is not good. I talk through both. After you listen I would love to know the times you found yourself prying at rocks. --------- Website: https://www.wking.dev Newsletter: https://www.wking.dev/newsletter Podcast: https://share.transisto…
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Exploring the concept of managing momentum, motivation and opportunities through the lens of open processes. I discuss the impact of having active processes on our effectiveness, emphasizing that open-ended tasks can clutter our minds and hinder our performance. By closing these processes, either by completing tasks or organizing them outside our h…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 75 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Nikki Naab-Levy, strength coach and hypermobility specialist. You will learn: What is hypermobility and how does it differ from flexibility What are the Ehlers-Danlos Syndromes and how do they differ from Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 74 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this unplanned episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss Stu McGill’s recent appearance on the Huberman podcast. In Episode 62, we identified McGill’s big themes around movement. In this episode, we go through his appearance on Huberman to see if he’s still promoting the same ideas or if …
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 73 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this first part of our much-requested three-part series "Posture Panic," Laurel and Sarah dive into the history of posture. They discuss Beth Linker's book, Slouch: Posture Panic in Modern America, providing insights and context to how posture has been perceived and addressed thro…
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Welcome to Episode 72 of the Movement Logic Podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Laurel poses a thought-provoking question: “Are you trying to spend the least on exercise?” We delve into how we prioritize spending on exercise compared to other essential health needs like diet and sleep and ask, “if investing more in exercise could give us access to bet…
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Welcome to Episode 71 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Sarah analyzes a recent NY Times article about exercise and bone density. How much do they get right, and how much do they get wrong? You’ll have to listen to find out! Sign up here to get on the Wait List for our next Bone Density Course in October 2024! It’s the only pla…
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Welcome to Episode 70 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Laurel answers the question, “Do you need a deload week?” In strength training, a deload week is a planned, periodic reduction in training intensity and/or volume. Spoiler: you probably don't need to plan deload weeks into your training, but listen more to find out! Sign u…
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Welcome to Episode 69 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Adam Meakins, also known as The Sports Physio, to discuss his recent co-authored paper, “A modern way to teach and practice manual therapy.” Adam highlights the major issues in current manual therapy practice and education, as detailed in this exten…
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Welcome to Episode 68 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Sarah is joined by soon to be Doctor of Physical Therapy Adam McAtee, founder of Evidence-Based Pilates, a continuing education platform for Pilates instructors. Sarah and Adam discuss long and lean, whether Pilates can contribute to bone density improvement, and why the hundred …
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Welcome to Episode 67 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss what current science, versus outdated advice and conventional wisdom, have to say about the causes and solutions for sacroiliac joint (SIJ) pain. Learn what research says about whether or not the SIJ is an inherently robust or fragile structure, whether t…
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Welcome to Episode 66 of the Movement Logic podcast! This episode is Part 3 of our Dismantling Long and Lean series. In this episode, Sarah and Laurel discuss the origins of Pilates, Barre, and yoga, and the connections between each movement method’s origins and the concept of a Pilates body, a Barre body, and a yoga body. In this episode you will …
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Welcome to Episode 65 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Sarah is delving into the topic of exercising while injured. Should you? Shouldn’t you? How do you know when, how much, and what kind to do? She takes you through a decision making strategy that will make this an easier question to tackle next time you are injured. Sarah also mad…
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Welcome to Episode 64 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel is joined by non-diet kettlebell coach Damali Fraiser to talk about what it means to be an inclusive kettlebell coach. We also discuss why a coach's life experience and skills (and not their body) are their real business card. Finally, we get into silly certification tests…
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Welcome to Season 4 and Episode 63 of the Movement Logic podcast! This is part 2 of a much requested series titled Dismantling Long & Lean. In part 2, Laurel and Sarah discuss the phrase "long and lean" from a science-based, as well as sociological and racial perspective. They cover whether or not you can actually make anyone’s body “longer” and/or…
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Welcome to episode 62 of the Movement Logic Podcast. In this episode, Sarah and Laurel discuss the recent interview of Dr. Stu McGill on Dr. Peter Attia’s podcast, The Drive. This interview has sparked a lot of internet commentary, so we’re breaking it down for you into what we’re calling Make McGill Make Sense. You will learn: Who are McGill and A…
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Welcome to Season 4, Episode 61 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel explores whether strength training alone suffices for health and longevity. She compares training stress, intensity, and adaptations of strength training versus high intensity interval training (HIIT) versus cardiorespiratory endurance training. Discover how both…
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Welcome to Season 4 and Episode 60 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this much requested first part of a three-part episode series, Laurel and Sarah discuss the phrase long and lean from a historical and sociological perspective. They cover the idealized image of women through art with a historical gaze, then unpick the narrative around becoming lo…
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Welcome to our supersized Episode 59 of the Movement Logic podcast and the final episode of Season 3! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss certifications for movement professionals. Are they necessary? Are they useful? Do they help promote you, or just the brand? Should you be focusing on it so much? You will learn: Do certifications in the mo…
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Welcome to Season 3 and Episode 59 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss dogmatic beliefs and myths around the shoulders from the yoga, Pilates, and strength training worlds. We also discuss how given the fact that shoulder joint is a “complex” of many bones and joints, it’s much more useful that teachers keep the…
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Welcome to Episode 57 of the Movement Logic podcast. In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss the fact that lifting heavy is not automatically a strength sport and that more people would feel invited to lift heavy if the media didn’t fixate so much on barbells as equipment for large, young, competitive male lifters and instead represented people t…
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Welcome to Episode 56 of the Movement Logic podcast. In this episode, Sarah is talking about hypermobility, and what if any connection exists between hypermobility and osteoporosis. You will learn: Hypermobility, EDS, and Marfan’s Syndrome, explained Is there any agreement in the research around hypermobility and osteoporosis Why research quality a…
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Welcome to Episode 55 of the Movement Logic podcast. In this episode, Laurel answers two questions that she gets regularly from folks online. They are: How can I get started with strength training? And, how can I “learn more about” strength training? Spoiler: the best way to get started with strength training (the doing and the teaching) is by…wait…
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Welcome to Season 3 and Episode 54 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss dogmatic beliefs and myths around the lower back, upper back, and neck from the yoga, Pilates, and strength training worlds. You will learn: That the spine is made up of over 360 joints so maybe we should move it in all the ways (instead of k…
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Welcome to Episode 53 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Sarah and Laurel dissect a few research papers that studied the effects of various rest periods between loading bone, and how these rest periods can impact the efficacy of our bone density building. You will learn: Osteoblasts and osteoclasts, defined Why bone building reminds Sa…
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Welcome to Season 3, Episode 52 of the Movement Logic podcast. In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by seven other guests for a panoramic, multi-perspective answer to the question “why don't more women lift weights?” Our seven guests (all of whom are movement professionals) weigh in on their previous objections to strength training. Of cour…
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Welcome to Episode 51 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss myths around osteoporosis and osteopenia, including why yoga and Pilates are poor choices for bone building (yes, we’ll talk about THAT study, again) and ultimately how weight training and impact training are both safe options when applied with the proper…
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In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss bracing and breathing. Why are we all so confused about our breathing mechanics and convinced we’re doing it wrong, no matter what we’re doing? When is the right (and wrong) time to brace when lifting something? What’s the difference between bracing and bearing down? And is navel to spine even doing what we…
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Welcome to Season 3 and Episode 49 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss the common tendency for people (not just women) to under load when lifting weights to build muscle and strength. In fact, it’s likely a slight majority of people in the gym are either not lifting heavy enough or taking sets close enough to fa…
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Welcome to Season 3 and Episode 48 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss dogmatic beliefs and myths around the pelvis from the yoga, Pilates, and strength training worlds. We also discuss how correlating pelvic position with safety or pain is not backed by research, and thus what value teaching pelvic alignment ma…
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Welcome to Episode 47 of the Movement Logic Podcast—our last episode of season 3! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah reflect on their most cringe stories from the teaching trenches and the big and small lessons they learned from them. You will belly laugh at their mistakes, and also learn vicariously through them!. DISCLAIMER: the language in this e…
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Welcome to Episode 46 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel discusses frequency, or how often to strength train per week. Laurel unpacks the concept of frequency its relationship to volume, as well as what research suggests is the “minimal effective dose” to get certain benefits from resistance training, like increased longevity an…
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Welcome to Episode 45 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah talk about pain, injury, and safety in strength and yoga. We discuss what an injury is and how definitions of injury differ in research. We also discuss pain and how it is different (but also overlaps) with injury. Then we look at what research suggests about the…
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Welcome to Episode 44 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Sarah and Laurel talk all about their favorite strength training equipment: the barbell! Why do so many people (including Sarah until very recently) have such a mental block around creating a barbell set up at home? We also discuss: How you will need to move to barbells if you wa…
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Welcome to Episode 43 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode Laurel sits down to talk with nutritional scientist, Dr. Ben House, PhD who has been working in nutrition and fitness for over 15 years, and has published many articles in peer reviewed, scientific journals. In their conversation, Ben and Laurel talk about the intersection between…
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Welcome to Episode 42 of the Movement Logic podcast! Laurel goes it alone this episode to unpack six common myths that still inform the way movement teachers and even clinicians think about and talk about the body, to potentially harmful effect. You will learn about: The Magical Low Back Exercise Myth The Poor Body Design Myth The Posture Predicts …
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Welcome to Episode 41 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this solo ride, Sarah gets even deeper into the ins and outs of motor learning. Specifically, further components that can be easily brought into your class to help your students’ and clients’ motor learning. You will learn: What is motor learning (a brief review) Motor learning stages: cogniti…
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Welcome to Episode 40 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this fourth BONUS episode about cueing, Sarah sits down with Trina Altman to discuss the role creativity can and should play in our cues. You will learn:: What are the essential components of creativity How teaching is an inherently creative occupation Using constraints to develop creativity i…
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Welcome to Episode 39 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Sarah takes a trip back in time to find out: Where did the ubiquitous 3x10 come from? It’s a wild ride that takes her down more than one rabbit hole and brings us face to face with 1RM, RPE, RIR, and everything else with an R in it. You will learn: Where did the 3 x 10 protocol c…
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