"Exegetically Speaking" is a weekly podcast of the friends and faculty of Wheaton College, IL and The Lanier Theological Library. Hosted by Dr. David Capes, it features language experts who discuss the importance of learning the biblical languages—Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek—and show how reading the Bible in the original languages "pays off." Each podcast lasts between seven and eleven minutes and covers a different topic for those who want to read the Bible for all it is worth. Click on the ...
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Tim and Susan love the Word and love living real. Here they talk about the what they have discovered in the Word and in life this week.
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Superordinated Duty and the Law, with Paul Sloan: 1 Corinthians 9:21
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12:56In an important line, Paul is frequently understood to be referring to at least two laws, the law of Moses, which the apostle is no longer "under," and a law of Christ, which he is still "under" (1 Cor. 9:21). Jewish parallels and the Greek words Paul uses suggest, however, that it is Paul's commission to preach the gospel that can override some Mo…
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Jesus, Son of God, with Christopher M. Hays: Mark 1:1 and 15:39
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13:00In the opening line of Mark's Gospel Jesus is referred to as "the Son of God," except that the Greek phrasing in this instance, somewhat non-typically, lacks any definite article. That this idiom echoes imperial propaganda is seen to be likely when a Roman centurion employs the same wording as he observes how Jesus died on their cross. Dr. Christop…
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Canceling a King, with Oliver Hersey: Exodus 1:8-9
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13:52When the king of Egypt is first introduced in our OT book of Exodus he is not named, nor thereafter. But the book itself in Hebrew is called "Names," and even the midwives are named (Exod. 1:15). Egyptians tended to treat the kings of their enemies the same way. Dr. Oliver Hersey is the 11th president of Jerusalem University College. This college, …
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What Was From the Beginning, with Elizabeth Mburu: 1 John 1:1-4
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15:30John's longer letter begins with a series of clauses headed by neuter relative pronouns without clear antecedents. In particular, the neuter gender draws our attention. To what do they refer and how does this relate to John's larger concerns? Dr. Elizabeth Mburu, who contributed earlier to this podcast, is Associate Professor of New Testament and G…
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Cranky, Bald Donkeys and Textual Criticism, with Andrew Perrin: Jeremiah 14:6
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11:50Looking at ancient copies (manuscripts) of the Old Testament is necessary if we are to reconstruct the earliest wording of the texts, but the manuscripts can also shed light on the ancient scribes, their work, and perennial challenges of interpretation. For example, 4Q Jeremiah A (dates to around 225-175 B.C.E.), one of the Qumran Scrolls, has some…
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The Messianic Whipper Snapper, with N. Clayton Croy: John 2:15
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11:53The RSV's translation of the "cleansing of the temple" in John 2:15 is in part, "And making a whip of cords, he drove them all, with the sheep and oxen, out of the temple." John's Greek, however, suggests that Jesus was using the whip only on the animals, which might have other implications for interpretation. Dr. Croyis the author of a widely used…
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The New Creation Story of Jesus Christ, with David Capes: Matthew 1:1
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9:18The opening words of Matthew's Gospel are translated as, "An account of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah" (NRSV), or "This is the genealogy . . ." (NIV), or "This is a record of the ancestors . . ." (NLT). A comparison with the parallels in Genesis and a look at what Matthew actually composes suggest that Matthew had something else in mind. David…
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At the Doorstep of Nicaea, with Malcolm Yarnell: Colossians 2:9
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11:35The Colossian churches had shifted their attention from Christ to calendrical matters, mediatorial figures, mystical visions, and philosophical notions. Paul is calling them to focus on Christ, who is the center and circumference of reality. In 2:9, Paul's language makes Christ's full deity unavoidable and unmistakeable. Dr. Malcolm Yarnell III, wh…
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Whose Koilia is This?, with Jennifer Houston McNeel: John 7:38
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13:17The NRSV translates John 7:38, "Out of the believer's heart shall flow rivers of living water." Behind that stand entangled questions of the punctuation of the Greek sentences (punctuation is lacking in the earliest manuscripts), the meaning of the word κοιλία (koilia), and whose koilia is in mind. Another translation could be, "Out of Jesus' womb …
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Honor Everyone As the King, the King as Everyone, with Jason Maston: 1 Peter 2:17
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11:06Peter's Greek wording in 1 Pet. 2:17 suggests a subtle but potent leveling of people and Roman king in Peter's kingdom vision. Dr. Jason Maston is Professor of Theology at Houston Christian University, where he is also Associate Dean, School of Christian Thought, and Director, BA to MDiv Program. His publications include (author) Divine and Human A…
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This Place, with James Hoffmeier: Jeremiah 7:7
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14:13Modern students of biblical Hebrew learn that the "pointing" (symbols for vowels) of the commonly used Masoretic text of the OT was added to the Hebrew consonants in the medieval period, and that the meaning of a passage can depend on the pointing used. Depending on the pointing chosen, Jeremiah 7:7 can be translated as, "I will let you dwell in th…
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Incredible Things, with Tom Schmidt: Luke 5:26
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9:10In a healing story shared by the first three Gospels, Luke reports a uniquely worded response of onlookers, translated in the NIV as, "We have seen remarkable things today." The key Greek word is παράδοξα (paradoxa), which is in fact noncommittal on the morality of what is in view. Dr. Thomas Schmidt is Associate Professor of Religious Studies at F…
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Finding Jesus Inside the Shema, with N. T. Wright: 1 Corinthians 8:6
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13:16As of Paul's first (existing) letter to them, the Corinthians are still struggling to understand and practice their faith in their native, non-Jewish environment. In a passage centering on the knowledge of God and idolatry (1 Corinthians 8-10), Paul begins by stating the central Christian confession of the true God, which is a modified version of t…
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Praising the Lord in Hebrew, with Chandler Dean: Psalm 150
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9:24Hebrew poetry is rich in parallelism of sound (phonological), words (lexical), meaning (semantic), and grammar, through which meaning is conveyed. Psalm 150 illustrates these devices, and manages to strike its climactic note through the breaking of them. Chandler Dean is working on her M.A. in Biblical Exegesis at Wheaton Graduate School. Check out…
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Oversight for the Sake of Peace, with Pat Miller: Hebrews 12:14-16
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11:00The Greek of Heb. 12:14-16, though rendered into separate sentences in some English translations, is a single Greek sentence. Paying close attention to the internal structure, especially a participle at the beginning of v. 15, sharpens our understanding of the integrated thought: The pursuit of true peace can involve conflict, albeit a conflict for…
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The Sound of Meaning, with Rabbi Steven Bob: Genesis 1:1-5
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8:30The opening lines of Genesis illustrate the way Hebrew relies on the sounds of words to convey meaning, for example, the menacing Hebrew word for 'darkness.' Rabbi Steven Bob, who has contributed several episodes to this podcast series, is Rabbi Emeritus at Congregation Etz Chaim in Lombard, Il and guest faculty at Wheaton College. He is the author…
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Faith as Loyalty, with Matthew Bates: Romans 3:2-3
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10:21At a crucial juncture in his argument and in the space of two verses Paul uses four terms related to the πιστ- word-group, usually rendered as "faith" or "belief." Background and the context of Romans favor hearing the ideas of "loyalty" and "faithfulness" in v. 3. Dr. Bates, who has been on this podcast before, is Professor of New Testament at Nor…
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A Statue in Progression, with John Walton: Daniel 3
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10:34The story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego – their refusal to bow down to the king's image and their deliverance from the furnace – is among the most oft-told of the Bible. Archaeology has provided a compelling backstory for that event, illuminating some of drama that the narrator would have assumed. Dr. John Walton, Old Testament Professor Emerit…
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Satan Paraded, with Shane J. Wood: Revelation 20:3
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10:33A small, common, but theologically charged Greek verb in Rev. 20:3 quietly signals the fate of Satan in the triumphant King's victory procession. Dr. Shane Wood is Professor of New Testament & Its Origins at Ozark Christian College. His publications include The Alter-Imperial Paradigm: Empire Studies & the Book of Revelation and Thinning the Veil: …
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Habakkuk and God in Dialogue, with Andrew Abernethy: Habakkuk 1-2
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8:47Unlike other prophetic books that directly address an audience, the message of Habakkuk presents itself to listeners by pondering a dialogue between the prophet Habakkuk and God. By paying attention to repetition related to "seeing" in Habakkuk 1-2, we can pick up on God's invitation to allow God's perception of reality to enrich and challenge our …
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Amos' Art, with Danny Carroll Rodas: Amos
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9:17Amos' Hebrew is rich with rhetorical techniques such as word play and satire, sometimes throwing hard punches. Some of these can be heard in translation, others are difficult to preserve in English. Dr. Danny Carroll Rodas, who has contributed several episodes to this podcast series, is the Scripture Press Ministries Professor of Biblical Studies a…
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A Figura Etymologica in Jesus' Teaching, with Alexander Loney: Matthew 7:2
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9:17Jesus' teaching in Matthew's Greek utilizes figures of speech that can be impossible to translate into English but which lend force and memorability to his words. Dr. Alexander Loney is Associate Professor of Classical Languages and the Coordinator of the Classical Languages program at Wheaton College. His publications include The Ethics of Revenge…
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How Not to Run Amuck, with Richard Schultz: Proverbs 29:18
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8:41The English words, "where there is no vision, the people perish," would seem to commend the need of a good plan for a desired future, but the Hebrew sentence points in a different direction. Dr. Richard Schultz is the Blanchard Professor of Old Testament in Wheaton College Graduate School. In addition to other publications, he has authored Out of C…
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This God, with Bradley Cameron: Ecclesiastes 3:10
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11:16Is Ecclesiastes 3:10-14 about a despotic, distant god or a benevolent, known God? It depends on whether we recognize the force of a Hebrew definite article. Bradley Cameron (PhD, Wheaton) is Visiting Instructor in Old Testament at Wheaton College. His dissertation was, "Learning to Fear: An Exploration of the Fear of God in Ecclesiastes through the…
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The Express Image, with Philip Graham Ryken: Hebrews 1:3
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8:29Heb. 1:1-4 is a beautifully rounded Greek sentence in praise of God's Son in and as whom God has spoken. One metaphor conveys the uniqueness of this person as the "express image" of God himself. It is this metaphor that Dr. Ryken explains. Dr. Phil Ryken, who has been a regular on our podcast, is the President of Wheaton College, 8th in the college…
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Food as an Identity Assertion, with Aubrey Buster and John Walton: Daniel 1:8-16
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12:33Daniel's refusal to eat the food provided by the king of Babylon is among the most popular of the Bible's stories. But what food did Daniel refuse, what did he request, and why? A new look at the Hebrew text and its background suggests new answers. Dr. Aubrey Buster, who has been with us before, is Associate Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton Co…
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He Became Wisdom, with Jon Laansma: 1 Corinthians 1:30
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14:58Beneath the surface of fairly stable English translations of 1 Corinthians 1:30 there flow quite varied interpretations of the Greek language Paul uses. Jon C. Laansma is the Gerald F. Hawthorne Professor of New Testament Greek and Exegesis in the Classical Languages program at Wheaton College, and the Wheaton-based director of this podcast series.…
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Amen God and He'll Amen You, with Richard Schultz: Isaiah 28:16
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11:13The choice for Israel is between quiet trust and anxious haste in an important prophetic passage. Prof. Schultz explains the background, Hebrew imagery, and the NT's interpretation of Isaiah 28:16. Dr. Richard Schultz is the Blanchard Professor of Old Testament in Wheaton College Graduate School. In addition to other publications, he has authored O…
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Not Every Woman at the Party is a Concubine, with Aubrey Buster: Daniel 5:2
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8:40Dan. 5:2, within the Aramaic portion of Daniel, has always been taken to refer to the king, his nobles, his wives, and his concubines, but a fresh look at the Aramaic and its context suggests that the last were female officials, not concubines. Dr. Aubrey Buster, who has been with us before, is Associate Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton Colleg…
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Hunger for Justice, with George Kalantzis: Matthew 5:6, 10
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9:07The Greek word usually translated as 'righteousness' in the Beatitudes (and elsewhere), is closer to the concept of 'justice,' signaling the down-to-earth concern of a people living under an unjust regime. Dr. George Kalantzis grew up in Athens, Greece, and has been at Wheaton College since 2007, where he is Professor of Theology and the Director o…
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Wheaton's M.A. in Biblical Exegesis, with Andrew Abernethy
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7:08The M.A. in Biblical Exegesis at Wheaton has been running for about a quarter of a century and it recently broadened its mission to enroll remote learners. Prof. Abernethy explains this transition, along with the program's resolute commitment to the acquisition and use of the original languages. Dr. Andrew Abernethy, a frequent contributor to this …
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Crucified with Christ, with Michael Bird: Galatians 2:19-20
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9:40In this 300th episode of Exegetically Speaking, we hear once again from Dr. Michael Bird. This time he is highlighting how the knowledge of Greek enables us to understand alternative interpretations of a critical Pauline passage. What do Paul's uses of the perfect tense and genitive case convey in speaking of participation in Christ's crucifixion a…
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The Lord is an Avenger and the Lord is Good, with Mario Tafferner: Nahum 1:7
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11:04The poem in Nahum 1 breaks its stride in 1:7, in terms of both the Hebrew poetic structure and thematic emphasis. In part by this means, it implicitly asks its Israelite readers, some of whom may have been collaborators with Assyria, whether they side with the Lord or the Lord's enemies. Dr. Mario Tafferner is Assistant Professor of Old Testament L…
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Wine, Vineyards, Hebrew, and Greek, with Gisela Kreglinger
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10:19Dr. Gisela Kreglinger, who grew up on a family-owned winery in Franconia, Germany, is an independent researcher who long ago noticed the peculiar prominence of wine and vineyards in both the Old and New Testaments. In this episode she talks about learning the biblical languages in preparation for her work and their contribution to a sound understan…
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Biblical Languages for a Church Historian, with Jennifer Powell McNutt
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10:52Jennifer Powell McNutt, PhD, is the Franklin S. Dyrness Professor of Biblical and Theological Studies, Professor of Theology and History of Christianity, Director of M.A. in History of Christianity, and Director of M.A. in Theology at Wheaton Graduate School. She talks about how the biblical languages played a part in her preparation for her work a…
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Biblical Languages for Pastoring, with Mike Woodruff
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7:51Mike Woodruff is the lead pastor at Christ Church (Chicago) and chairs the board for the Lakelight Institute. In this episode, he talks about taking Greek and Hebrew as a student preparing for ministry, and the continuing value of the languages for his teaching. Pastor Woodruff's publications include, The Life of Jesus Christ, FutureView: Gaining P…
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A Hebrew Pun on Elevation, with Mark Lanier: 2 Chronicles 17:6
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6:13In 2 Chr. 17:3-6, remarkable things are said of King Jehoshaphat, culminating in a Hebrew word play that correlates the state of Jehoshaphat's heart with the Asherim that he tears down while seeking to elevate the Lord. Mark Lanier is a practicing attorney, a teacher in his local church in Houston, Texas, and the founder of the Lanier Theological L…
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Moses Sings Amazing Grace, with Lawson Younger: Exodus 34:6-7
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13:47Both Moses and God are popularly thought of as the opposite of grace as portrayed in the Old Testament. Exodus 34 tells the story of a God who does measure out justice to his creation, but magnifies his grace far beyond measure. The difference is that of the life-horizons of an individual contrasted with countless generations. Dr. K. Lawson Younger…
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Who Has God's Attention?, with Andrew Abernethy: Isaiah 66:2
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8:35In the laments of Isaiah 63 and 64, God is asked to look down at his people in salvation. In Isaiah 66 a response comes, declaring at whom the Lord will look: Those in Israel afflicted by this world, who tremble at his word. Dr. Andrew Abernethy is Professor of Old Testament, Assistant Dean of Biblical and Theological Studies in the Litfin Divinity…
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Art and Truth in a Psalm, with Rico Villanueva: Psalm 1
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9:19Even in translation, Psalm 1, a favorite of many, can be appreciated for its art and truth. All the more in Hebrew, through which we can see and hear how the psalmist employs letters, repetition of words, sounds, and other devices to convey meaning. Dr. Frederico Villanueva is Regional Commissioning Editor for Langham Publishing and Scholar Care Co…
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Because He Was in the Form of God, with Michael Gorman: Philippians 2:6
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13:13Phil. 2:6-11 is and deserves to be one of the most studied passages on Christ in the biblical writings. One grammatical question concerns a participle in v. 6, which is usually understood as concessive ("although"). But might Paul intend a causal sense ("because")? The implications are profound. Dr. Michael Gorman is Raymond E. Brown Professor of B…
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"Sweet Song of Salvation, with Andrew Abernethy: Isaiah 12:2 and Exodus 15:2"
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8:35The prophet Isaiah anticipates what Israel will one day sing, and the words draw directly from the great song of deliverance sung by Moses, as if Isaiah had a copy to hand. Dr. Andrew Abernethy is Professor of Old Testament, Assistant Dean of Biblical and Theological Studies in the Litfin Divinity School, and Program Director of the M.A. in Biblica…
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Created Man and Eternal Son, with Malcolm Yarnell: Proverbs 8:22, 24
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12:11Theology ought to be ruled by the biblical text. So says Prof. Yarnell, a systematic theologian who studied Hebrew and Greek and who makes careful use of those languages in his work. In this episode he explains the importance of the languages for theological reasoning generally, and specifically with reference to an OT text that was debated by Chur…
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Share in the Abundance of Christ's Suffering, with Travis Wright: 2 Corinthians 1:5 and Romans 8:18
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9:15English plurals of "mass nouns" (uncountable nouns, such as milk, water) indicate kinds (e.g., cow or goat milks) or multiple instances (e.g., "grab three waters"), but Greek has a third option for the same plurals: an "abundance inference." Realizing this can sharpen our understanding of certain passages. Travis Wright (PhD, University of Cambridg…
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Living Collateral, with Seth Ehorn: Philemon 1
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12:50The opening words of Philemon prompt us to ask in what sense Paul is a prisoner in relation to Christ. In part this is a grammatical question, but a couple of contemporaneous papyri texts might supply hints as to the cultural understanding. Dr. Seth Ehorn is Assistant Professor of Classics and Biblical Languages at Houston Christian University. Amo…
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Small But Important Words, with Jack Messarra: Jeremiah 32:36-37
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9:36In Jeremiah 32:36, a discourse marker is used that would most often signal bad news is coming, sort of like the "Jaws theme" music in a movie. But here it surprises the reader with good news. Jack Messarra completed a master's degree at the University of Stellenbosch in the field of Hebrew, linguistics, and discourse markers. You can see some of hi…
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A Multi-Colored Vision for a Multi-Cultural Church, with N. T. Wright: Ephesians 3:10 [encore episode]
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11:40Prof. N. T. "Tom" Wright returns to our podcast to discuss Eph. 3:10 and its vision for the church in the present age: God's "intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known." God created us so that through us he could show the world who he is, in particular, by a community of all races and nations drawn tog…
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Mary, the Mother of Jesus, with Nancy Dawson: Matthew 1-2 and Luke 1-3
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9:37Dr. Nancy Dawson holds a M.S. in plant taxonomy and Ph.D. in biology/cell biology. After teaching in that field at Western Kentucky University and Texas A&M, she attended Duke Divinity School. She now works as an independent scholar in theology and has published All the Genealogies of the Bible: Visual Charts and Exegetical Commentary (Zondervan, 2…
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Is This The Promised Seed?, with Ingrid Faro: Genesis 4:25
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7:47Eve's words about her newborn son, Seth, which are her last recorded words, echo the Hebrew words to the serpent in Gen. 3:15, signaling Eve's persevering hope in God's deliverance. Dr. Ingrid Faro, who has contributed to this podcastbefore, is Professor of Old Testament at Northern Seminary in Lisle, IL. Among other things, she is the author of Ev…
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The Word was God, with Michael Licona: John 1:1
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11:15Some claim that John 1:1 states that Jesus is 'a god.' Others claim that it states that Jesus is God. What is in fact the best way of understanding the Greek language employed? Grammatical parallels can shed some light. Dr. Michael Licona is Professor of New Testament at Houston Christian University. His publications include Why Are There Differenc…
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